23 06 2008

Naturally I have been keeping an eye on what has been going on over in Jerusalem.  My own thoughts, at least until the end.

1)  I love the way how everyone at the other end of the table keep saying that none of this is about gay sex or homosexuality, and then launch immediately into this whole diatribe about the evils of homosexuality and how icky gay sex is, equating it to bestiality, incest, and of course, the ever popular pedophilia.  Let’s just be honest, shall we?  It is not about the authority of Scripture, it is about the homos.  End of story.

2)  The amount of fear and bile and even hatred at times coming from the other end of the table is appalling, especially in the comments area of two websites who shall not be named.  What is the reason for it?  It just seems so unfaithful to whom we are called to be as members of the Body of Christ.  To quote Romans 1, a passage which I have heard ad inifitum in trying to condemn who I am, I would almost venture to say that in many ways they have “exchanged the truth of God for a lie.”   Indeed, “since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind.  They were filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, covetousness, and malice.  Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious towards parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. They know God’s decree, that those who practice such things deserve to die — yet they not only do them but even applaud others who practice them.”  This seems more in line with what is read in the comments areas of Those Sites Who Shall Not Be Named than anything I read at this end of the table.

3)  Speaking of the whole mess of GAFCON being in Jerusalem, I think that this just goes to show how arrogant and insensitive the organizers and leadership of that movement are.  The last thing Jerusalem needs is 1,000 or so Anglicans of any stripe traipsing around the most contested real estate in the world.  These sentiments have been expressed by the Anglican Bishop of Jerusalem.  But, they went anyway.  It is clear the only thing they have any interest in promoting is their own agenda and making a show of power and flexing of muscles, and not in spreading the Gospel, and not even the Gospel they claim to represent.  I think the Bishop recognizes this on some level because his address to the attendees could be summed up in one sentence:  “You people better behave yourselves while you’re here.”

Enough for now ….



11 responses

23 06 2008

Hear hear!! Lets go and throw stones. (They do that a lot in Jerusalem.)

23 06 2008

I always like to quote the beginning of Romans 2 back to them when they start in with that Romans 1 shiznit.

23 06 2008
Reverend boy

DP, I may not go and throw stones, but I may make a nice mosaic with some of the more pretty ones.

Pisco, that’s a great comeback. I’ll have to remember it.

23 06 2008

Romans 1 shiznit, I must remember that.

Here is something I recently heard from a Lesbian Evangelical Theologian (don’t those three words just so belong together?!) – before she picked up (or should I say admitted to herself and others) the first qualifier, she would use Romans 1 in that shiznitty way.

If we step back (imagine!) and detach (oh what is next) maybe we can see that maybe Paul (the man who waltzed from pedantic assholery to wisdom and back again with amazing alacrity) was referring to Roman Temple practices that happened to include same sex practices.

Maybe that was more of the issue – temple practices – rather than the same sex.

That said, Paul could have added his own issues to the mix. Remember the pedantic assholery part.

Anyway, this whole thing is tragic. How will we ever unite as Christians? Oh wait I know, by respecting our denominations where we can and by being in common union and community among each other.


23 06 2008
Reverend boy

As much as I admire a great deal of Paul’s writings, he had some, shall we say, “issues” and was wrong on a few things.

Fran, I would have to say that the issue was indeed to the sexual practices in the temple in general as opposed to same sex sex … the word he uses in the Greek is very difficult to translate and no one really knows exactly what he meant. OCICBW….

Separately, I have thought about publishing some of the material that helped me on the journey out of my own internalized homophobia some years ago. Of course, it deals with Romans 1 as well as those other shiznit verses. Might be a waste of time as it’s preaching to the choir in many ways.

23 06 2008
Robert Thomas

Nothing wrong with preaching to the choir Rev. Boy!

23 06 2008
John-Julian, OJN

This part of the choir would be happy for your preachment!

In serious fact, it is often the anecdotal personal stories that make the difference for many who are on the fence!

23 06 2008

I agree with John-Julian and Robert Thomas, publish away.

We continue to be defined and loved into being through each other. Your words may be to the “choir” but are essential indeed.

Although as the acronym goes… OCICBW!

BTW, a lot of Paul will now be followed, in my mind anyway, by the word shiznit!

24 06 2008

I had to come over to recommend this link on this topic. Seriously- must read/listen material. Fascinating. What a sense of humor and timing God has…

24 06 2008

<i.Separately, I have thought about publishing some of the material that helped me on the journey out of my own internalized homophobia some years ago.

RB, you should do it. Stories can take folks a long distance.

25 06 2008

Fran is right on the sexual practices which St. Paul condemns, but can you get anyone to recognise that? I am deeply frustrated that church vested interest perpetuates so much that we know to be wrong because it is too threatening to challenge it. We leave that to the academics and let them take the flack.

When I am Archbishop of Canterbury I WILL start my consecration sermon with the words: “Now, about all the things the church has got wrong. It’s time to be honest…..”

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